From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jul 8 01:28:15 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 61 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:28:14 PDT Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [192.35.17.28]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD02F4983DE for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.siemens.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m688LXWa000960 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:21:33 +0200 Received: from mchp771a.ww002.siemens.net (mchp771a.ww002.siemens.net [139.25.131.189]) by mail3.siemens.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m688LXdk026850 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:21:33 +0200 Received: from MCHP7IDA.ww902.siemens.net ([139.25.131.144]) by mchp771a.ww002.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:21:32 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: unvisible user unknown Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:21:31 +0200 Message-ID: <8081CEEB4FD535468F7738F83A2338E4153CA3@MCHP7IDA.ww902.siemens.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: unvisible user unknown Thread-Index: Acjg06BoZods1qkpQqmMsjMhhQkk6A== From: "Mattis, Oliver" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2008 08:21:32.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[A102DDA0:01C8E0D3] X-Archive-Number: 200807/1 X-Sequence-Number: 5740 Dear Majordomo-fellows, =20 i=B4m on the search about resolving problems with unvisible user unknown = errors. If majordomo runs on a mailgateway which contains all emailadresses of = the own domain in aliases.db, localhost gives back an user unknown error like this: =20 Jul 7 17:43:35 ownserver sendmail[24709]: m67FhYLm024705: = m67FhZLl024709: DSN: /usr/lib/majordomo/lists/tmuk-ver-int: line 7: = michael.foltz(at)xxxxx.com... User unknown =20 The owner will see, after the user unknown occurs this in his mailbox: =20 Your message To: TMUK VER INT List Subject: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:03:21 +0200 did not reach the following recipient(s): tmuk-ver-int-list(at)xxxxxx.xxxxxxx.net on Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:03:24 +0200 The e-mail account does not exist at the organization this message was sent to. Check the e-mail address, or contact the recipient directly to find out the correct address. < ownserver #5.1.1> =20 This problem doesn=B4t occurs if majordomo runs on a other server and = give all mails to his smarthost. Due to the constellation majordomo and smarthost together on the same = server, the owner is unable to resolve the problem, because he is unable to see which emailadress is faulty. I know this is not really a prob of majordomo himself, but it seems it = is not best practice to run majordomo on a smarthost.=20 Best regards, Oliver Mattis=20 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jul 8 06:48:02 2008 Received: from dalexmm02.acs-inc.com (dalexmm02.acs-inc.com [63.101.151.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D6649839A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:48:00 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoAAMQLc0g/V6pIo2dsb2JhbACCc491AQEBAQEBBwUIBxGdIw Received: from unknown (HELO atlexbr03.CORPATL.COM) ([63.87.170.72]) by dalexmm02.acs-inc.com with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2008 08:33:39 -0500 Received: by atlexbr03.acs-shc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Caldwell, Cedric" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Majordomo + sendmail issue Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:42:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E100.6E31A118" X-Archive-Number: 200807/2 X-Sequence-Number: 5741 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E100.6E31A118 Content-Type: text/plain Fellow Users, Need some help here.. I've got to the point where the I can send an email to majorodomo and get a reply to send back the auth code. But when I sent it back to the server it never receives it. I noticed that the domain is not correct on the reply. I've created another *.cf file for the other domain needed to accept mail. But still can't put my finger on the issue. Is this sendmail = virtualtable related? Any help would be appreciated. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E100.6E31A118 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

Fellow Users,

 

Need some help here..

 

I've got to the point where the I can send an email to = majorodomo and get a reply to send back the auth = code.

 

But when I sent it back to the server it never receives = it.  I noticed that the domain is not correct on the reply. I've created another *.cf file for the other domain needed to accept mail. But still can't put my finger on the issue.  Is this sendmail =3D virtualtable = related?

 

Any help would be = appreciated. 

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E100.6E31A118-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jul 8 11:39:20 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 299 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:39:19 PDT Received: from moroni.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFA14D00C0 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.ourldsfamily.com (moroni0 [172.20.20.2]) by moroni.ourldsfamily.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m68ISU7a007125; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:28:31 -0600 Received: from ats ([207.173.117.242]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by webmail.ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Majordomo + sendmail issue From: "Karl Pearson" To: "Caldwell, Cedric" Cc: "Majordomo Users" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200807/3 X-Sequence-Number: 5742 On Tue, July 8, 2008 7:42 am, Caldwell, Cedric wrote: > > > > > Fellow Users, > > > > Need some help here.. > > > > I've got to the point where the I can send an email to majorodomo and get a > reply to send back the auth code. > > > > But when I sent it back to the server it never receives it. I noticed that > the domain is not correct on the reply. I've created another *.cf file for > the other domain needed to accept mail. But still can't put my finger on the > issue. Is this sendmail = virtualtable related? I suspect it's a server/sendmail problem. Run hostname and see what's returned. If it's 'the default' of localhost.localdomain or something similar, then you may have to manually set the hostname on the server. Otherwise, you can setup sendmail.cw then run m4 sendmail.cw > sendmail.cf in /etc/mail. If the server uses virtual domains, then I'm not sure. I've not used those settings on my servers. Good luck. Karl > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > -- Karl L. Pearson karlp@ourldsfamily.com http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com --- My Thoughts on Terrorism In America right after 9/11/2001: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml --- The world is a dangerous place to live... not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jul 9 04:17:14 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:17:13 PDT Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.202]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6600C49840F for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 04:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 68531 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2008 11:04:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yWAWHeAYOew6rhyiHbyk5EUiYRmAo976ZPDKepFlX/PhoRxBvGyfCHihCpdqN076daZkzgud4ldhV2dVbXSNF/xFNRmxNrUTS0YkTVOSVXceJPtp+W/4DcM1kR0kX88nQ8CGD4rC1Hbu4MMJZDeAx78wMBMoqL0UWUEqEgbCHjk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@65.66.217.31 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2008 11:04:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: e49MrNsVM1nvN5PWXCKGAQSU.gVm652eQ47YOG9dKAUH28ungFDyrv.SoqfMVvGbvT0pX4uoJa2EFTHPZqCz3.j530pwUrTOD7cAVp3S7I67jx7ipHV3iX3YbwCc6Ia6QtwxkTUuAjxpUeuHvw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <18d901c8e1b3$94cb82e0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: References: Subject: Majordomo and spammers Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:04:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_18D6_01C8E189.AB76FC10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/4 X-Sequence-Number: 5743 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_18D6_01C8E189.AB76FC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have recently moved my site to a new server using Q Mail, and = reinstalled Majordomo. I am having two problems. 1. I am getting hit with a great amount of spam addressed to majordomo, = which is generating replies to non-existent addresses, which in turn = bounce back to me. The replies are the standard reply from majordomo = when it does not understand a message. Is there any way of stopping these replies from Majordomo or of = changing the majordomo's address from majordomo@domain.com? 2. All of these spam messages to majordomo are generating zero content = messages in the digest folder, which in turn, adds blank messages to the = digest. How can this be fixed? -Tom ------=_NextPart_000_18D6_01C8E189.AB76FC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have recently moved my site to a new server = using Q=20 Mail, and reinstalled Majordomo.  I am having two = problems.
 
1.  I am getting hit with a great amount of = spam=20 addressed to majordomo, which is generating replies to non-existent = addresses,=20 which in turn bounce back to me.  The replies are the standard = reply from=20 majordomo when it does not understand a message.
     Is there any way of = stopping=20 these replies from Majordomo or of changing the majordomo's address from = majordomo@domain.com?
 
2.  All of these spam messages to majordomo = are=20 generating zero content messages in the digest folder, which in turn, = adds blank=20 messages to the digest.  How can this be fixed?
 
-Tom
------=_NextPart_000_18D6_01C8E189.AB76FC10-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jul 9 07:41:55 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 1255 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:41:52 PDT Received: from DNS1.swccd.edu (dns1.swccd.edu [209.129.112.65]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3587C49839E for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS1.swccd.edu (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by DNS1.swccd.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2711153A99; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.swccd.edu (unknown [10.0.4.233]) by DNS1.swccd.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E1CE.305A9C3B" Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18d901c8e1b3$94cb82e0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Majordomo and spammers Thread-Index: AcjhtJfh+rg8gxQ9SV6PefG7NMDjawAGOWSQ From: "Al Garrett" To: "Tom Patterson" , X-Archive-Number: 200807/5 X-Sequence-Number: 5744 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E1CE.305A9C3B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This sounds like the back-scatter issue ( http://www.spamresource.com/2007/02/backscatter-what-is-it-how-do-i-stop -it.html ) we recently experienced on our regular mail system. Spammers spoofing a good email address from our institution to fire off a volley and the NDR's getting routed back to the us. Thousands were coming in every day. We deployed a BATV solution at the edge of the enterprise http://mipassoc.org/batv/ Could something like this be used in a majordomo arena? -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Tom Patterson Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:05 AM To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordomo and spammers =09 =09 I have recently moved my site to a new server using Q Mail, and reinstalled Majordomo. I am having two problems. =20 1. I am getting hit with a great amount of spam addressed to majordomo, which is generating replies to non-existent addresses, which in turn bounce back to me. The replies are the standard reply from majordomo when it does not understand a message. Is there any way of stopping these replies from Majordomo or of changing the majordomo's address from majordomo@domain.com? =20 2. All of these spam messages to majordomo are generating zero content messages in the digest folder, which in turn, adds blank messages to the digest. How can this be fixed? =20 -Tom ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E1CE.305A9C3B Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
This=20 sounds like the back-scatter issue ( http://www.spamresource.com/2007/02/backscatter-what-is-= it-how-do-i-stop-it.html ) we=20 recently experienced on our regular mail system.
Spammers spoofing a good email address from our institution to = fire off a=20 volley and the NDR's getting routed back to the us. Thousands were = coming in=20 every day.
We=20 deployed a BATV solution at the edge of the enterprise  http://mipassoc.org/batv/
Could=20 something like this be used in a majordomo arena?
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com=20 [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Tom = Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:05 = AM
To:=20 majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Majordomo and=20 spammers

I have recently moved my site to a new server = using Q=20 Mail, and reinstalled Majordomo.  I am having two = problems.
 
1.  I am getting hit with a great amount = of spam=20 addressed to majordomo, which is generating replies to non-existent = addresses,=20 which in turn bounce back to me.  The replies are the standard = reply from=20 majordomo when it does not understand a message.
     Is there any way of = stopping=20 these replies from Majordomo or of changing the majordomo's address = from majordomo@domain.com?
 
2.  All of these spam messages to = majordomo are=20 generating zero content messages in the digest folder, which in turn, = adds=20 blank messages to the digest.  How can this be = fixed?
 
-Tom
------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E1CE.305A9C3B-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jul 9 20:09:08 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 672 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:09:08 PDT Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.1.212]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A7449840F for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id m6A2pwX06442; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Tom Patterson cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers In-Reply-To: <18d901c8e1b3$94cb82e0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200807/6 X-Sequence-Number: 5745 On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Tom Patterson wrote: > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:04:38 -0500 > From: Tom Patterson > To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Majordomo and spammers > > I have recently moved my site to a new server using Q Mail, and reinstalled Majordomo. I am having two problems. > > 1. I am getting hit with a great amount of spam addressed to majordomo, which is generating replies to non-existent addresses, which in turn bounce back to me. The replies are the standard reply from majordomo when it does not understand a message. > Is there any way of stopping these replies from Majordomo or of changing the majordomo's address from majordomo@domain.com? > > 2. All of these spam messages to majordomo are generating zero content messages in the digest folder, which in turn, adds blank messages to the digest. How can this be fixed? > > -Tom ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/noCommand_noBounce.0 Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jul 11 07:12:45 2008 Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.206]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5849C4982FF for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22823 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=HpIhkeIB0pIA2b5LcLUtOBfuHJH0S0njiPiFkDY5JYQN8JLNdy9KcZpYoK3Q602OXcJLGPP8q2Svbc/Bn65RqS99CfaZRwpDQN7iagoQBGjC8Q+IETmRG0fpL7VtWJUZKx634epK/6494NyvaGovohsfugDjHoCu5NdqGbOLMHE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@69.151.213.213 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7n5m588VM1kAGxp277FvzNx6uCsemtoXBJK4Rdt_QkKgkMFqE4LH_00WuoiktfLi0k5kVMun1ZbuZy7Ka3KQckoY3lWHgnO2vNMoWxF5F_.WCZjW5MYDhgR.iDvvsaA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: References: Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:06:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/7 X-Sequence-Number: 5746 Thanks to Joe for help on this problem. The patch immediately cut out the messages which were bouncing back to me due to the use of invalid e-mail addresses by the spammers. I am however left with the problem that majordomo is still picking up on the spam messages and creating zero content messages in the digest folder. When the digest is created, it then shows these messages, albeit as blank. I have a script which deletes all zero content messages in the digest folder immediately before the mkdigest command is issued by a cron job. The problem then arises that the remaining messages are not sequentially numbered in the digest folder, and do not all get picked up by the digest. I can get around this problem by renumbering the messages, starting from zero. Also, I have two lists. Only the list starting with the letter "s" is picking up the blank messages. The list starting with the letter "v" does not pick up blank messages. As the spam is addressed to majordomo@domainname, I assume that majordomo is dumping the blank messages into the first folder he comes to. I also assume that if I created a dummy list starting with a alpha character prior to "s", the zero messages would end up there, leaving my list folders unaffected by the spam. I will try this next. However, is there some way to prevent majordomo from creating these zero content messages? -Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R. Jah" To: "Tom Patterson" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Tom Patterson wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:04:38 -0500 >> From: Tom Patterson >> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >> Subject: Majordomo and spammers >> >> I have recently moved my site to a new server using Q Mail, and >> reinstalled Majordomo. I am having two problems. >> >> 1. I am getting hit with a great amount of spam addressed to majordomo, >> which is generating replies to non-existent addresses, which in turn >> bounce back to me. The replies are the standard reply from majordomo >> when it does not understand a message. >> Is there any way of stopping these replies from Majordomo or of >> changing the majordomo's address from majordomo@domain.com? >> >> 2. All of these spam messages to majordomo are generating zero content >> messages in the digest folder, which in turn, adds blank messages to the >> digest. How can this be fixed? >> >> -Tom > > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/noCommand_noBounce.0 > > Regards, > > Joe > -- > _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o > _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) > _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jul 11 08:40:03 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 2425 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:40:03 PDT Received: from zappa.brainiac.com (ZAPPA.BRAINIAC.com [68.15.48.189]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311234982F7 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brainiac.com (eno [68.0.195.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by zappa.brainiac.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6BErQIf011041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:53:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:53:25 -0400 From: Joe Hartley To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Message-Id: <20080711105325.95dc05ed.jh@brainiac.com> In-Reply-To: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: e<}kWVz7AOU%7Y[y%"Y%)jByI[9dsnKP{\??7E"4vTGx4){g\C&LaBmH1{dDNf0U_mPBv#c qp\nRqr]T^L:p_H=Tel/;Z$7-C/klmyQ*kB\{},N]n-7*sJ(dYlf(,?f2hekl"0$nD+~T-ZwNK~`oa n"I7[)O/_NOgn@]?b%=6SRU!]O5k9|OA]PF!qIvs>7sE3}Vr*eC|r""6/**uf3ak}Hm.HK$Cri^yyT BzeM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200807/8 X-Sequence-Number: 5747 On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:06:33 -0500 "Tom Patterson" wrote: > Thanks to Joe for help on this problem. The patch immediately cut out the > messages which were bouncing back to me due to the use of invalid e-mail > addresses by the spammers. > > I am however left with the problem that majordomo is still picking up on the > spam messages and creating zero content messages in the digest folder. When > the digest is created, it then shows these messages, albeit as blank. > . . . > Also, I have two lists. Only the list starting with the letter "s" is > picking up the blank messages. The list starting with the letter "v" does > not pick up blank messages. I have never seen this problem on any of the list servers I've run over the years, and my majordomo addresses get more than their fair share of spam messages. Can you post the parts of your aliases file that pertain to the majordomo lists? I suspect the issue has more to do with the configuration there than any issue with majordomo itself. And a huge Thank You to Joe Jah for the posted patch - I've been looking for something like that for a while. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jul 11 09:24:52 2008 Received: from smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.205]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E986498360 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15003 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 16:18:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Q7cdX28vNnDKZv1goMTgIvlTrYpBuw0BF3vRpk7OorLiYTgjMqmC9Gy5V2kyDbc/uAZJvdlbkrqL+ccc8FKjZLsDdD3O844ThlzNTQIJ4amgK8vDu90EebmCPvdKmWd8jOQagNjzXhQVZLpOWAnj9FZSUarLcDHJQFdbDbbQ01Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@69.151.213.213 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 16:18:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q8aMPa0VM1lx39_1O3Nejv3lFYdhlmMwQyhn05QWz.Ji7j.wS5unRrmTdP74Pufpsf76S3iAMt_FHyyZE3_.Qe9U.X2AA2dAWVjojX.fgkvsevV56CfwUUXoYFnkbIE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <023f01c8e371$c7ccda80$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <20080711105325.95dc05ed.jh@brainiac.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:18:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/9 X-Sequence-Number: 5748 Here are the aliases for the list and digest. Each list has the same, except of course the domainname, owner and email address are shown. 1.) Majordomo # Majordomo's aliases majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/demime - |/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: owner@xxxxxxxxx.net majordomo-owner: owner-majordomo discard: /dev/null 2.) List #blanklist list aliases blanklist: "|/usr/local/majordomo/demime - |/usr/local/majordomo/resend -l blanklist -C /usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf -h domainname.com blanklist-outgoing" blanklist-outgoing: ":include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/blanklist |/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -R -C -l blanklist-digest blanklist-digest-outgoing" blanklist-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/demime - |/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l blanklist" owner-blanklist: owner@xxxxxxxxx.net blanklist-owner: owner-blanklist #owner-approval: owner-blanklist 3.) Digest #blanklist-digest list aliases blanklist-digest-outgoing: ":include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/blanklist-digest" blanklist-digest: blanklist owner-blanklist-digest: owner@xxxxxxxxx.net blanklist-digest-owner: owner-blanklist-digest blanklist-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/demime - |/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l blanklist-digest" blanklist-digest-approval: owner@xxxxxxxxx.net owner-blanklist-outgoing: owner@xxxxxxxxx.net owner-blanklist-digest-outgoing: owner@xxxxxxxxx.net -Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Hartley" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:06:33 -0500 > "Tom Patterson" wrote: > >> Thanks to Joe for help on this problem. The patch immediately cut out >> the >> messages which were bouncing back to me due to the use of invalid e-mail >> addresses by the spammers. >> >> I am however left with the problem that majordomo is still picking up on >> the >> spam messages and creating zero content messages in the digest folder. >> When >> the digest is created, it then shows these messages, albeit as blank. >> . . . >> Also, I have two lists. Only the list starting with the letter "s" is >> picking up the blank messages. The list starting with the letter "v" >> does >> not pick up blank messages. > > I have never seen this problem on any of the list servers I've run over > the years, and my majordomo addresses get more than their fair share of > spam messages. > > Can you post the parts of your aliases file that pertain to the majordomo > lists? I suspect the issue has more to do with the configuration there > than > any issue with majordomo itself. > > And a huge Thank You to Joe Jah for the posted patch - I've been looking > for something like that for a while. > > -- > ====================================================================== > Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com > Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jul 11 10:51:20 2008 Received: from dalexmm01.acs-inc.com (dalexmm01.acs-inc.com [63.101.151.3]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC14D4982F7 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQBAI05d0g/V6pIiGdsb2JhbACCc481AQEBDyCdNQ Received: from unknown (HELO atlexbr04.CORPATL.COM) ([63.87.170.72]) by dalexmm01.acs-inc.com with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2008 12:39:06 -0500 Received: by anc0lw00009864.ghs.oneacs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <3WRPYPLZ>; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Caldwell, Cedric" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Majorcool Debugging Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:44:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E37D.D38FF706" X-Archive-Number: 200807/10 X-Sequence-Number: 5749 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E37D.D38FF706 Content-Type: text/plain Are there any debug options for the majorcool interface. Last week while testing I was at least getting the emails. Now I don't get any response back from the server. Maillog is not showing anything that the message was received. Just need more eyes this to troubleshoot. Any help would be appreciated.. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E37D.D38FF706 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Are there any debug options for the majorcool = interface.  Last week while testing I was at least getting the emails. Now I don't get any response back from the server.

 

Maillog is not showing anything that the message was received.  Just need more eyes this to = troubleshoot.

 

Any help would be = appreciated..

 

 

 

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E37D.D38FF706-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jul 11 16:05:14 2008 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDD4498359 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sonny.com (minute.sonny.com [192.168.1.4]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0K3V00I126DDOO@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:56:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from magnum.sonny.com (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by minute.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0K3V00B0T6CYPU@minute.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:55:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:58:28 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers In-reply-to: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> X-Archive-Number: 200807/11 X-Sequence-Number: 5750 I have a sneaky suspicion that your spam may be graphical in nature, where there is no body content, just an attached graphic. Demime removes the HTML content, leaving an empty message (just assuming here), before your aliases file passes the converted message to your -outgoing alias where the digest script is called. You are probably creating your own problem in this case. As for the sequentiality of your pre-digest files, I have seen this too, in some cases. The solution is another patch... I offer this piece of an email that I sent in September of 2003. > Do the timestamps on the digest.$$ messages coincide with times that > email was received for your list? Have you looked in the > $digest_work_dir > to see what files are queued up in there? Are there any skipped > numbers in the sequence of files? You might need to modify line > #176 of the digest script to say > > foreach (sort @files) { > > to clean things up. You might also consider creating a tmp directory > in the majordomo $HOME (or work directory if they are different) with > the proper majordomo ownership and permission, then setting $TMPDIR in > the majordomo.cf to use that directory. In fact, I found reference to the same change on line 176 of digest in a posting from Sept 2000 too. Dan Liston Tom Patterson wrote: > Thanks to Joe for help on this problem. The patch immediately cut out > the messages which were bouncing back to me due to the use of invalid > e-mail addresses by the spammers. > > I am however left with the problem that majordomo is still picking up > on the spam messages and creating zero content messages in the digest > folder. When the digest is created, it then shows these messages, > albeit as blank. > > I have a script which deletes all zero content messages in the digest > folder immediately before the mkdigest command is issued by a cron > job. The problem then arises that the remaining messages are not > sequentially numbered in the digest folder, and do not all get picked > up by the digest. I can get around this problem by renumbering the > messages, starting from zero. > > Also, I have two lists. Only the list starting with the letter "s" is > picking up the blank messages. The list starting with the letter "v" > does not pick up blank messages. > > As the spam is addressed to majordomo@domainname, I assume that > majordomo is dumping the blank messages into the first folder he comes > to. I also assume that if I created a dummy list starting with a > alpha character prior to "s", the zero messages would end up there, > leaving my list folders unaffected by the spam. I will try this next. > > However, is there some way to prevent majordomo from creating these > zero content messages? > > -Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R. Jah" > > To: "Tom Patterson" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:51 PM > Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > > >> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Tom Patterson wrote: >> >>> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:04:38 -0500 >>> From: Tom Patterson >>> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>> Subject: Majordomo and spammers >>> >>> I have recently moved my site to a new server using Q Mail, and >>> reinstalled Majordomo. I am having two problems. >>> >>> 1. I am getting hit with a great amount of spam addressed to >>> majordomo, which is generating replies to non-existent addresses, >>> which in turn bounce back to me. The replies are the standard reply >>> from majordomo when it does not understand a message. >>> Is there any way of stopping these replies from Majordomo or of >>> changing the majordomo's address from majordomo@domain.com? >>> >>> 2. All of these spam messages to majordomo are generating zero >>> content messages in the digest folder, which in turn, adds blank >>> messages to the digest. How can this be fixed? >>> >>> -Tom >> >> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/noCommand_noBounce.0 >> >> Regards, >> >> Joe >> -- >> _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o >> _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ >> _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) >> _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us >> > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jul 11 23:41:19 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 1870 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:41:18 PDT Received: from yoda.wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27024983BF for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDS.esson.net (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by yoda.wrenkasky.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6C63kXR020479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:03:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200807120603.m6C63kXR020479@yoda.wrenkasky.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:03:45 -0700 To: Daniel Liston , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers In-Reply-To: <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass (yoda.wrenkasky.com: 10.10.10.11 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Archive-Number: 200807/12 X-Sequence-Number: 5751 FYI, demime also strips attachments at the same time that it strips the mime from a message. I have lots of subscribers scratching their heads on that one... Ed At 03:58 PM Friday, 7/11/2008, Daniel Liston wrote -=> >I have a sneaky suspicion that your spam may be graphical in nature, >where there is no body content, just an attached graphic. >Demime removes the HTML content, leaving an empty message (just >assuming here), before your aliases file passes the >converted message to your -outgoing alias where the digest script is >called. You are probably creating your own problem in >this case. > >As for the sequentiality of your pre-digest files, I have seen this >too, in some cases. The solution is another patch... I offer >this piece of an email that I sent in September of 2003. > >>Do the timestamps on the digest.$$ messages coincide with times that >>email was received for your list? Have you looked in the >>$digest_work_dir >>to see what files are queued up in there? Are there any skipped >>numbers in the sequence of files? You might need to modify line >>#176 of the digest script to say >> >> foreach (sort @files) { >> >>to clean things up. You might also consider creating a tmp directory >>in the majordomo $HOME (or work directory if they are different) with >>the proper majordomo ownership and permission, then setting $TMPDIR in >>the majordomo.cf to use that directory. >In fact, I found reference to the same change on line 176 of digest >in a posting from Sept 2000 too. > >Dan Liston > >Tom Patterson wrote: >>Thanks to Joe for help on this problem. The patch immediately cut >>out the messages which were bouncing back to me due to the use of >>invalid e-mail addresses by the spammers. >> >>I am however left with the problem that majordomo is still picking >>up on the spam messages and creating zero content messages in the >>digest folder. When the digest is created, it then shows these >>messages, albeit as blank. >> >>I have a script which deletes all zero content messages in the >>digest folder immediately before the mkdigest command is issued by >>a cron job. The problem then arises that the remaining messages >>are not sequentially numbered in the digest folder, and do not all >>get picked up by the digest. I can get around this problem by >>renumbering the messages, starting from zero. >> >>Also, I have two lists. Only the list starting with the letter "s" >>is picking up the blank messages. The list starting with the >>letter "v" does not pick up blank messages. >> >>As the spam is addressed to majordomo@domainname, I assume that >>majordomo is dumping the blank messages into the first folder he >>comes to. I also assume that if I created a dummy list starting >>with a alpha character prior to "s", the zero messages would end up >>there, leaving my list folders unaffected by the spam. I will try this next. >> >>However, is there some way to prevent majordomo from creating these >>zero content messages? >> >>-Tom >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R. Jah" >>To: "Tom Patterson" >>Cc: >>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:51 PM >>Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers >> >> >>>On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Tom Patterson wrote: >>> >>>>Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:04:38 -0500 >>>>From: Tom Patterson >>>>To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>>>Subject: Majordomo and spammers >>>> >>>>I have recently moved my site to a new server using Q Mail, and >>>>reinstalled Majordomo. I am having two problems. >>>> >>>>1. I am getting hit with a great amount of spam addressed to >>>>majordomo, which is generating replies to non-existent addresses, >>>>which in turn bounce back to me. The replies are the standard >>>>reply from majordomo when it does not understand a message. >>>> Is there any way of stopping these replies from Majordomo >>>> or of changing the majordomo's address from majordomo@domain.com? >>>> >>>>2. All of these spam messages to majordomo are generating zero >>>>content messages in the digest folder, which in turn, adds blank >>>>messages to the digest. How can this be fixed? >>>> >>>>-Tom From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jul 12 02:50:10 2008 Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.209]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C8B5C498364 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 95508 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 09:43:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=YYptkXqVOqFMIAaScohUDVvzpJceaNHoVXDzmWC9pGdwPIwU7B7cqPwaaRmea5nK19M9LdgO31MFi8+S1wXu5d1we8EqLYFvheP8/OrPUBTC6Y9uiHwZbmzoy21gBkA7CVbwmOJ/ZbKh5cOaG5J2gkhPrTJfvZIkdhZ4g5ktLog= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@69.151.213.213 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 09:43:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ky44oA0VM1nJILXaaM98NjCKlK9Yn_ydhalAQDy7_Rsvbpz8hoRa2bCzMwNKv15qouPKA952EcS_KCmoxmDBU2PN1MyvznrMzoibH9VpOw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <038201c8e403$c9684db0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> <200807120603.m6C63kXR020479@yoda.wrenkasky.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:43:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/13 X-Sequence-Number: 5752 Sorry All, I responded to earlier messages from Daniel Liston, and did so without copying in the list, as I just hit the reply to button. Following is my response to the first message: __________________________ Thanks Dan, Maybe you are correct in the graphical nature of the problem, but I doubt it. I have two lists with about 700-750 mostly long time members. They know that majordomo strips off any image files, and should not be submitting any. If they did, it would only be an occasional image - right now, I am getting a lot of these zero files. Prior to installing Joe's patch, I was able to tie the date and time of these blank files to the time that majordomo was bouncing messages back to the spammers. Also, I did not have this problem on my old server which also used demime. The problem started when I moved to a new server. I have already looked to see what files are queued up for the digests, and there are zero content files sitting there, and arriving regularly. The sequence problem I was running into seems to have ocurred as a result of deleting these zero files. The solution now appears to be in renaming and renumbering these files so that they start with 001. When I did that earlier today, I was able to pick them up in digests. I now have a script which will be tried with the cron job tonight. It will delete all zero content files, and then rename and renumber the remaining files immediately prior to calling the cron job to create the digest. If it works, the problem will be solved. I have no idea what is different now than with the earlier server, except for the mail program. Whatever, I will keep you posted on the outcome. -Tom _________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kasky" To: "Daniel Liston" ; Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > FYI, demime also strips attachments at the same time that it strips the > mime from a message. I have lots of subscribers scratching their heads on > that one... > > Ed > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jul 12 02:53:12 2008 Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 30390498364 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25324 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 09:46:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4AgaTFEZQj7+JDeyqfqNG2/XkVYDh4rB0W1O5lxvAWYRm71XOsSL5beCnayb8ixBf1+++NUMkypm3V4RWRL/WGJK+GOI9MYUtFV7KoCmoe9lqRsszhIv7WuWi+kaAwknBN4MLDiAnFyZ+ps8HYS8WkU+Qyb6IIovAnb8iAYgN28= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@69.151.213.213 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 09:46:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nuwtQoIVM1miQFZZMJaMrM2Vdw6gQV.ve5fQrAH0Jf.ZfPXQEgJn8JaDNeCXmvYaABURSq61vt8AfX7B8DIso9MMcehjv_n_3X7m2A6AwDZ9rZrdu0zkwEs8R9Kcn2o- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <039001c8e404$3623b110$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> <200807120603.m6C63kXR020479@yoda.wrenkasky.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:46:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/14 X-Sequence-Number: 5753 Still sorry All, Dan replied to my last response, which I also answered. Both are below: ________________ The more important point of my post, was to modify line 176 of the "digest" script so you don't have to run an external script to renumber the files in the $digest_work directory. As for the problem starting after moving to a new server, have you carefully examined all the ownerships and permissions of all the files and directories associated with majordomo AND your MTA? Is selinux involved? What about smrsh if you are running sendmail? Dan Liston Ok, The linux is Fedora 8. Qmail is the mail program. -Tom ____________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kasky" To: "Daniel Liston" ; Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > FYI, demime also strips attachments at the same time that it strips the > mime from a message. I have lots of subscribers scratching their heads on > that one... > > Ed > > At 03:58 PM Friday, 7/11/2008, Daniel Liston wrote -=> >>I have a sneaky suspicion that your spam may be graphical in nature, where >>there is no body content, just an attached graphic. >>Demime removes the HTML content, leaving an empty message (just assuming >>here), before your aliases file passes the >>converted message to your -outgoing alias where the digest script is >>called. You are probably creating your own problem in >>this case. >> >>As for the sequentiality of your pre-digest files, I have seen this too, >>in some cases. The solution is another patch... I offer >>this piece of an email that I sent in September of 2003. >> >>>Do the timestamps on the digest.$$ messages coincide with times that >>>email was received for your list? Have you looked in the >>>$digest_work_dir >>>to see what files are queued up in there? Are there any skipped >>>numbers in the sequence of files? You might need to modify line >>>#176 of the digest script to say >>> >>> foreach (sort @files) { >>> >>>to clean things up. You might also consider creating a tmp directory >>>in the majordomo $HOME (or work directory if they are different) with >>>the proper majordomo ownership and permission, then setting $TMPDIR in >>>the majordomo.cf to use that directory. >>In fact, I found reference to the same change on line 176 of digest in a >>posting from Sept 2000 too. >> >>Dan Liston >> >>Tom Patterson wrote: >>>Thanks to Joe for help on this problem. The patch immediately cut out >>>the messages which were bouncing back to me due to the use of invalid >>>e-mail addresses by the spammers. >>> >>>I am however left with the problem that majordomo is still picking up on >>>the spam messages and creating zero content messages in the digest >>>folder. When the digest is created, it then shows these messages, albeit >>>as blank. >>> >>>I have a script which deletes all zero content messages in the digest >>>folder immediately before the mkdigest command is issued by a cron job. >>>The problem then arises that the remaining messages are not sequentially >>>numbered in the digest folder, and do not all get picked up by the >>>digest. I can get around this problem by renumbering the messages, >>>starting from zero. >>> >>>Also, I have two lists. Only the list starting with the letter "s" is >>>picking up the blank messages. The list starting with the letter "v" >>>does not pick up blank messages. >>> >>>As the spam is addressed to majordomo@domainname, I assume that majordomo >>>is dumping the blank messages into the first folder he comes to. I also >>>assume that if I created a dummy list starting with a alpha character >>>prior to "s", the zero messages would end up there, leaving my list >>>folders unaffected by the spam. I will try this next. >>> >>>However, is there some way to prevent majordomo from creating these zero >>>content messages? >>> >>>-Tom >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R. Jah" >>> >>>To: "Tom Patterson" >>>Cc: >>>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:51 PM >>>Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers >>> >>> >>>>On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Tom Patterson wrote: >>>> >>>>>Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:04:38 -0500 >>>>>From: Tom Patterson >>>>>To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>>>>Subject: Majordomo and spammers >>>>> >>>>>I have recently moved my site to a new server using Q Mail, and >>>>>reinstalled Majordomo. I am having two problems. >>>>> >>>>>1. I am getting hit with a great amount of spam addressed to >>>>>majordomo, which is generating replies to non-existent addresses, which >>>>>in turn bounce back to me. The replies are the standard reply from >>>>>majordomo when it does not understand a message. >>>>> Is there any way of stopping these replies from Majordomo or of >>>>> changing the majordomo's address from majordomo@domain.com? >>>>> >>>>>2. All of these spam messages to majordomo are generating zero content >>>>>messages in the digest folder, which in turn, adds blank messages to >>>>>the digest. How can this be fixed? >>>>> >>>>>-Tom > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jul 12 03:01:03 2008 Received: from smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.213]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 35A6A498364 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 75217 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 09:54:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=cUiE9THBgdLn1MtUsd4R3XGfwkYG2KFGs/tyNOVU4RYQRI3KwjP69o4vGEKaraP/hJCyZsHtOMs8ayAnnbSbb8OV9B0SKgjI1Ca67e3dcG1RzElf9kR6wq1q64xFnBTj4DDof2FmOB8yOAJfnDo9GL/ngCJX4BUE3eqqe3PngZ4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@69.151.213.213 with login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 09:54:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HQMHTfkVM1nVkZ0nQVbtz7sUlpMe7BZUjUgqLbR8mf5LlG1H2K5pJu4GFqPQ9NdvblvxHpEeTnSoaPhXcWjeLg4xexBiG.yGeiQyIVOzM3DV7LyFY02dP01eulkfpok- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <03a201c8e405$4ecb12c0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:54:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/15 X-Sequence-Number: 5754 The script to which I referbelow ran overnight, and worked mostly. All blank messages were successfully deleted; the remaining messages were sequentially renumbered; the digests were created and sucessfully mailed out to the subscribers. There was one problem. Two messages in the queue for each list were not picked up and included in the digest for each list. Perhaps it is only co-incidence, but the number of the omitted messages in each case were 004 and 005. Also, probably really a co-incidence, for one list the first message was from Tokyo with a response to that message; in the second list, both omitted messages were in response to a message from Tokyo ??? Looking further into the problem now. -Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Patterson" To: "Daniel Liston" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > Thanks Dan, > > Maybe you are correct in the graphical nature of the problem, but I doubt > it. > > I have two lists with about 700-750 mostly long time members. They know > that majordomo strips off any image files, and should not be submitting > any. If they did, it would only be an occasional image - right now, I am > getting a lot of these zero files. Prior to installing Joe's patch, I was > able to tie the date and time of these blank files to the time that > majordomo was bouncing messages back to the spammers. Also, I did not > have this problem on my old server which also used demime. The problem > started when I moved to a new server. > > I have already looked to see what files are queued up for the digests, and > there are zero content files sitting there, and arriving regularly. The > sequence problem I was running into seems to have ocurred as a result of > deleting these zero files. The solution now appears to be in renaming and > renumbering these files so that they start with 001. When I did that > earlier today, I was able to pick them up in digests. > > I now have a script which will be tried with the cron job tonight. It > will delete all zero content files, and then rename and renumber the > remaining files immediately prior to calling the cron job to create the > digest. If it works, the problem will be solved. > > I have no idea what is different now than with the earlier server, except > for the mail program. Whatever, I will keep you posted on the outcome. > > -Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Liston" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > > >>I have a sneaky suspicion that your spam may be graphical in nature, where >>there is no body content, just an attached graphic. >> Demime removes the HTML content, leaving an empty message (just assuming >> here), before your aliases file passes the >> converted message to your -outgoing alias where the digest script is >> called. You are probably creating your own problem in >> this case. >> >> As for the sequentiality of your pre-digest files, I have seen this too, >> in some cases. The solution is another patch... I offer >> this piece of an email that I sent in September of 2003. >> >>> Do the timestamps on the digest.$$ messages coincide with times that >>> email was received for your list? Have you looked in the >>> $digest_work_dir >>> to see what files are queued up in there? Are there any skipped >>> numbers in the sequence of files? You might need to modify line >>> #176 of the digest script to say >>> >>> foreach (sort @files) { >>> >>> to clean things up. You might also consider creating a tmp directory >>> in the majordomo $HOME (or work directory if they are different) with >>> the proper majordomo ownership and permission, then setting $TMPDIR in >>> the majordomo.cf to use that directory. >> In fact, I found reference to the same change on line 176 of digest in a >> posting from Sept 2000 too. >> >> Dan Liston >> >> Tom Patterson wrote: >>> Thanks to Joe for help on this problem. The patch immediately cut out >>> the messages which were bouncing back to me due to the use of invalid >>> e-mail addresses by the spammers. >>> >>> I am however left with the problem that majordomo is still picking up on >>> the spam messages and creating zero content messages in the digest >>> folder. When the digest is created, it then shows these messages, >>> albeit as blank. >>> >>> I have a script which deletes all zero content messages in the digest >>> folder immediately before the mkdigest command is issued by a cron job. >>> The problem then arises that the remaining messages are not sequentially >>> numbered in the digest folder, and do not all get picked up by the >>> digest. I can get around this problem by renumbering the messages, >>> starting from zero. >>> >>> Also, I have two lists. Only the list starting with the letter "s" is >>> picking up the blank messages. The list starting with the letter "v" >>> does not pick up blank messages. >>> >>> As the spam is addressed to majordomo@domainname, I assume that >>> majordomo is dumping the blank messages into the first folder he comes >>> to. I also assume that if I created a dummy list starting with a alpha >>> character prior to "s", the zero messages would end up there, leaving my >>> list folders unaffected by the spam. I will try this next. >>> >>> However, is there some way to prevent majordomo from creating these zero >>> content messages? >>> >>> -Tom >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R. Jah" >>> >>> To: "Tom Patterson" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Tom Patterson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:04:38 -0500 >>>>> From: Tom Patterson >>>>> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>>>> Subject: Majordomo and spammers >>>>> >>>>> I have recently moved my site to a new server using Q Mail, and >>>>> reinstalled Majordomo. I am having two problems. >>>>> >>>>> 1. I am getting hit with a great amount of spam addressed to >>>>> majordomo, which is generating replies to non-existent addresses, >>>>> which in turn bounce back to me. The replies are the standard reply >>>>> from majordomo when it does not understand a message. >>>>> Is there any way of stopping these replies from Majordomo or of >>>>> changing the majordomo's address from majordomo@domain.com? >>>>> >>>>> 2. All of these spam messages to majordomo are generating zero >>>>> content messages in the digest folder, which in turn, adds blank >>>>> messages to the digest. How can this be fixed? >>>>> >>>>> -Tom >>>> >>>> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/noCommand_noBounce.0 >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> -- >>>> _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o >>>> _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ >>>> _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) >>>> _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us >>>> >>> >> > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jul 13 05:05:56 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 405 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:05:53 PDT Received: from mail.emacolet.com (mail.emacolet.com [216.228.108.20]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70119498373 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from akelalt ([192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.emacolet.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6DBqb64031829 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:52:37 -0400 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.5.2 mail.emacolet.com m6DBqb64031829 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=emacolet.com; s=mail; t=1215949957; bh=qo+P+56bJGKljylZxL6pLtFKcQk=; h=From:To:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FRpONSCApgdbpQ+YSKSyuUfYuT+23HsokF+ob pma+nBB7GGFFL0Vqc6sVy/2ccKc+C2SQNn1p3DGaO4jP26CRqDLvCk1VNg9gO2YdkOx s7BFIDYLxA0WT701LstWtr70lqN2i3ZgKXVva7o2AdrxssUPgLsJM5O/9isk1yKUpFo = From: "Peter P. Benac" To: References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> <200807120603.m6C63kXR020479@yoda.wrenkasky.com> <038201c8e403$c9684db0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> In-Reply-To: <038201c8e403$c9684db0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:52:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c8e4de$ed8a8510$c89f8f30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjkA9bPo8jLR69DS9mE3YgLC5aVNwA2h3rQ Content-Language: en-us X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.53 on 192.168.0.253 X-Archive-Number: 200807/16 X-Sequence-Number: 5755 Tom, It is not your subscribers that are sending the graphical messages. = It is the spammers. =20 I would be more curious about what type of spam catching software you = are running on the front end of all of this. My mail server is running SpamAssassin, and Mimedefang. Plus I have the list set so only list = members can post. Rejects never end up archived or digested. The mail server = checks for RBDNS, DKIM and SPF records as well. =20 Very little Spam makes it to any list I host and 99% if that is = rejected because it comes from non-members. If that much spam is making to a = backend mail processor you might want to beef up the front end. =20 Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Web and Mail Hosting. Phone: 252-657-9591 Web: http://www.emacolet.com To have principles... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 First have courage.. With = principles comes integrity!!!=20 -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Tom = Patterson Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 05:44 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Sorry All, I responded to earlier messages from Daniel Liston, and did so without=20 copying in the list, as I just hit the reply to button. Following is my = response to the first message: __________________________ Thanks Dan, Maybe you are correct in the graphical nature of the problem, but I = doubt it. I have two lists with about 700-750 mostly long time members. They know that majordomo strips off any image files, and should not be submitting = any. If they did, it would only be an occasional image - right now, I am = getting a lot of these zero files. Prior to installing Joe's patch, I was able = to tie the date and time of these blank files to the time that majordomo = was bouncing messages back to the spammers. Also, I did not have this = problem on my old server which also used demime. The problem started when I = moved to a new server. I have already looked to see what files are queued up for the digests, = and there are zero content files sitting there, and arriving regularly. The sequence problem I was running into seems to have ocurred as a result of deleting these zero files. The solution now appears to be in renaming = and renumbering these files so that they start with 001. When I did that earlier today, I was able to pick them up in digests. I now have a script which will be tried with the cron job tonight. It = will delete all zero content files, and then rename and renumber the = remaining files immediately prior to calling the cron job to create the digest. = If it works, the problem will be solved. I have no idea what is different now than with the earlier server, = except for the mail program. Whatever, I will keep you posted on the outcome. -Tom _________________ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Ed Kasky" To: "Daniel Liston" ; = Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > FYI, demime also strips attachments at the same time that it strips = the=20 > mime from a message. I have lots of subscribers scratching their = heads on > that one... > > Ed > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jul 13 05:38:24 2008 Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.209]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AEB02498373 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 42035 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2008 12:31:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=bntSg8KTsi412QwIu8XHP+fxLzKP0ZVkgPL+vOw1M74+cWifJzLv7lwoXK56iIbJf1aubJXsybbjhK+WqEuSwuLY+cfGCD+4PDi9uj1HoqiBaACXbw4XGcPlLOeBkUzbKssdI3lX8NO/H5kQDjJ4mfuuqPuVFp1ZZjqhUYtnL40= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@69.151.213.213 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2008 12:31:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JStWZgkVM1m6odIoFR_Wbo0JnCjMA9ZuKU0DPefCmMjCahCLba1Vl3dJ7kVJfcASyW6MIjsTE06sWYHar1fwlyH_q5Dg6u5tgGYS0J9kMq4gRcFJw.X.hknOHgmprhU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <013301c8e4e4$6dd65aa0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> <200807120603.m6C63kXR020479@yoda.wrenkasky.com> <038201c8e403$c9684db0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <004b01c8e4de$ed8a8510$c89f8f30$@com> Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:31:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/17 X-Sequence-Number: 5756 I agree that the subscribers are not the ones sending the graphical messages if graphical messages are what is causing the problem. Actually, I think that it may be all messages from spammers, whether graphical or otherwise. I didn't save any of the bounces I was getting back, but I think that the times on at least some of them did correspond to times of some of the blank messages. Those messages were not all graphical, because they did have text that caused majordomo to respond. The thing is messages, apparently from spammers, are coming in, and apparently, are causing majordomo to create blank messages in the digest temporary directory. The messages are NOT going out to the regular list members - they never were. I do have my lists set up so that only list members can post. The blank messages have never gone out through the regular messages. They only show up in the digest temporary directory, and if left alone, appear as blank messages within the digest. I am running demime, and DrWeb to filter messages on the site. The digests last night did run without any problem. We modified line #176 as Daniel Liston suggested, and that, along with removing all zero content messages with a script as part of the cron job to create the digests, resulted in normal digests. I am still left with these blank messages being created in the digest temporary directory, but the problem is now at least manageable. Probably I will now create a new list starting with an alpha character lower than the two active lists, and see if I can dump any blank messages into that new list's directory to further ensure that blank messages don't get out to any digest subscribers. Right now, these blank messages are only going into one of the two active list digests directories, and it is the one with the starting with alpha "s" as opposed to alpha "v". -Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter P. Benac" To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Tom, It is not your subscribers that are sending the graphical messages. It is the spammers. I would be more curious about what type of spam catching software you are running on the front end of all of this. My mail server is running SpamAssassin, and Mimedefang. Plus I have the list set so only list members can post. Rejects never end up archived or digested. The mail server checks for RBDNS, DKIM and SPF records as well. Very little Spam makes it to any list I host and 99% if that is rejected because it comes from non-members. If that much spam is making to a backend mail processor you might want to beef up the front end. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Web and Mail Hosting. Phone: 252-657-9591 Web: http://www.emacolet.com To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Tom Patterson Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 05:44 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Sorry All, I responded to earlier messages from Daniel Liston, and did so without copying in the list, as I just hit the reply to button. Following is my response to the first message: __________________________ Thanks Dan, Maybe you are correct in the graphical nature of the problem, but I doubt it. I have two lists with about 700-750 mostly long time members. They know that majordomo strips off any image files, and should not be submitting any. If they did, it would only be an occasional image - right now, I am getting a lot of these zero files. Prior to installing Joe's patch, I was able to tie the date and time of these blank files to the time that majordomo was bouncing messages back to the spammers. Also, I did not have this problem on my old server which also used demime. The problem started when I moved to a new server. I have already looked to see what files are queued up for the digests, and there are zero content files sitting there, and arriving regularly. The sequence problem I was running into seems to have ocurred as a result of deleting these zero files. The solution now appears to be in renaming and renumbering these files so that they start with 001. When I did that earlier today, I was able to pick them up in digests. I now have a script which will be tried with the cron job tonight. It will delete all zero content files, and then rename and renumber the remaining files immediately prior to calling the cron job to create the digest. If it works, the problem will be solved. I have no idea what is different now than with the earlier server, except for the mail program. Whatever, I will keep you posted on the outcome. -Tom _________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kasky" To: "Daniel Liston" ; Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > FYI, demime also strips attachments at the same time that it strips the > mime from a message. I have lots of subscribers scratching their heads on > that one... > > Ed > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jul 13 06:23:24 2008 Received: from mail.emacolet.com (mail.emacolet.com [216.228.108.20]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C47C49837F for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from akelalt ([192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.emacolet.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6DDGn2F000558 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:16:49 -0400 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.5.2 mail.emacolet.com m6DDGn2F000558 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=emacolet.com; s=mail; t=1215955009; bh=ksmjOXScvwynGnRVdYvDgSGpir8=; h=From:To:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dbWdfinpNvYSDlzOGVk3CMq8z9mSrUd/OVzfb 1o9sEXUtt2V5H+9BoMP8Vd06rJLe8m0NyFZ9EajHEGFwrzB/M4F/+jL2Ri+a5wvyymg 6f8gmNxSCeYqPJcTI4kiuumrgWLy8t09tqsMCH21uZg2iAskv5FBE72LOG9TeTp6t7I = From: "Peter P. Benac" To: References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> <200807120603.m6C63kXR020479@yoda.wrenkasky.com> <038201c8e403$c9684db0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <004b01c8e4de$ed8a8510$c89f8f30$@com> <013301c8e4e4$6dd65aa0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> In-Reply-To: <013301c8e4e4$6dd65aa0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:16:41 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c8e4ea$b08b52a0$11a1f7e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acjk5HgtiUmrmsriSY69dys/fjH+2gAAvBig Content-Language: en-us X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.53 on 192.168.0.253 X-Archive-Number: 200807/18 X-Sequence-Number: 5757 OK I will say this again. If you have that many messages getting = through (blank or not) to a back end process you need to rethink your front in process. =20 If they are showing up in your digest (blank or not) and you have the = list subscription set to CLOSED+CONFIRM or OPEN+CONFIRM and the list is set = for List Members only then the spammer is a member of your list. My Mail Server rejects THOUSANDS of Spam messages a day. Maybe 1 or 2 = will get through any one list and is rejected because they are NOT valid = members of that list. Nothing shows up in the digest that hasn't made it though = the regular list. =20 The following is an example of my alias setup: discuss@discuss.org: "|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper resend @/etc/mail/majordomo/discuss.arg" discuss-out@discuss.org: :include:/etc/mail/majordomo/lists/discuss discuss-request@discuss.org: "|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l discuss" discuss-archive@discuss.org: "|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl = -f /etc/mail/majordomo/lists/archives/discuss -m -a" # # # discuss-digestify@discuss.org: "|/usr/local/bin/demime '|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l discuss-digest discuss-digest-out@discuss.org,nobody'" discuss-digest-out@discuss.org: :include:/etc/mail/majordomo/lists/discuss-digest discuss-digest-request@discuss.org: "|/usr/local/bin/demime '|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l discuss-digest'" Contents of the .arg file -h discuss.org -l discuss discuss-out@discuss.org,nobody Obviously I masked the real list name and domain. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Web and Mail Hosting. Phone: 252-657-9591 Web: http://www.emacolet.com To have principles... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 First have courage.. With = principles comes integrity!!!=20 -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Tom = Patterson Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 08:32 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers I agree that the subscribers are not the ones sending the graphical = messages if graphical messages are what is causing the problem. Actually, I = think=20 that it may be all messages from spammers, whether graphical or = otherwise.=20 I didn't save any of the bounces I was getting back, but I think that = the=20 times on at least some of them did correspond to times of some of the = blank=20 messages. Those messages were not all graphical, because they did have = text that caused majordomo to respond. The thing is messages, apparently from spammers, are coming in, and=20 apparently, are causing majordomo to create blank messages in the digest = temporary directory. The messages are NOT going out to the regular list = members - they never were. I do have my lists set up so that only list members can post. The blank = messages have never gone out through the regular messages. They only = show=20 up in the digest temporary directory, and if left alone, appear as blank = messages within the digest. I am running demime, and DrWeb to filter messages on the site. The digests last night did run without any problem. We modified line = #176=20 as Daniel Liston suggested, and that, along with removing all zero = content=20 messages with a script as part of the cron job to create the digests,=20 resulted in normal digests. I am still left with these blank messages being created in the digest=20 temporary directory, but the problem is now at least manageable. Probably I will now create a new list starting with an alpha character = lower than the two active lists, and see if I can dump any blank messages into = that new list's directory to further ensure that blank messages don't = get=20 out to any digest subscribers. Right now, these blank messages are only = going into one of the two active list digests directories, and it is the = one with the starting with alpha "s" as opposed to alpha "v". -Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Peter P. Benac" To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Tom, It is not your subscribers that are sending the graphical messages. = It is the spammers. I would be more curious about what type of spam catching software you = are running on the front end of all of this. My mail server is running SpamAssassin, and Mimedefang. Plus I have the list set so only list = members can post. Rejects never end up archived or digested. The mail server = checks for RBDNS, DKIM and SPF records as well. Very little Spam makes it to any list I host and 99% if that is = rejected because it comes from non-members. If that much spam is making to a = backend mail processor you might want to beef up the front end. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Web and Mail Hosting. Phone: 252-657-9591 Web: http://www.emacolet.com To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Tom = Patterson Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 05:44 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Sorry All, I responded to earlier messages from Daniel Liston, and did so without copying in the list, as I just hit the reply to button. Following is my response to the first message: __________________________ Thanks Dan, Maybe you are correct in the graphical nature of the problem, but I = doubt it. I have two lists with about 700-750 mostly long time members. They know that majordomo strips off any image files, and should not be submitting = any. If they did, it would only be an occasional image - right now, I am = getting a lot of these zero files. Prior to installing Joe's patch, I was able = to tie the date and time of these blank files to the time that majordomo = was bouncing messages back to the spammers. Also, I did not have this = problem on my old server which also used demime. The problem started when I = moved to a new server. I have already looked to see what files are queued up for the digests, = and there are zero content files sitting there, and arriving regularly. The sequence problem I was running into seems to have ocurred as a result of deleting these zero files. The solution now appears to be in renaming = and renumbering these files so that they start with 001. When I did that earlier today, I was able to pick them up in digests. I now have a script which will be tried with the cron job tonight. It = will delete all zero content files, and then rename and renumber the = remaining files immediately prior to calling the cron job to create the digest. = If it works, the problem will be solved. I have no idea what is different now than with the earlier server, = except for the mail program. Whatever, I will keep you posted on the outcome. -Tom _________________ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Ed Kasky" To: "Daniel Liston" ; = Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > FYI, demime also strips attachments at the same time that it strips = the > mime from a message. I have lots of subscribers scratching their = heads on > that one... > > Ed > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jul 13 06:33:15 2008 Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4272419C238 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 68284 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2008 13:26:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=YgMbDYIJ8u+rPtk6c/nNNUcTR2r9+UwC+ot2ZqRkATS6GjuNMJ/msEwg1lOKwK4u42uaODtg38+Hz29l/1d+cXmyOPVhvuncGmTQGc/JZ8ohCN7u/chlUK0dCMAUj7is2p8FtLFuuJN77wrkZ7o9TBp9gIh7JPXWjOU1RVOaDfw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@69.151.213.213 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2008 13:26:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tgiaxNIVM1l8yCjC3GcZUz.pgJ1wAAadLe4rhF8fZejXDE5NzdqA0HuQ9LI4vgggjP3tJbMIRZdwsNx0dnFz0pT7vTLTysOTJtgSTAzNiBVkqPsO15ZZcfswIMsrfg0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <015901c8e4ec$16300640$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: References: <01bd01c8e35f$53500310$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <4877E594.3050009@sonny.org> <200807120603.m6C63kXR020479@yoda.wrenkasky.com> <038201c8e403$c9684db0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <004b01c8e4de$ed8a8510$c89f8f30$@com> <013301c8e4e4$6dd65aa0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> <006b01c8e4ea$b08b52a0$11a1f7e0$@com> Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:26:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/19 X-Sequence-Number: 5758 If the spammer is a member of my list, then he/she has the ability to send messages only to the digest, and not to the list itself. That pretty much leaves the list itself as the spammer, because the digest config file has the restrict_post set to the list and the list-digest. -Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter P. Benac" To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers OK I will say this again. If you have that many messages getting through (blank or not) to a back end process you need to rethink your front in process. If they are showing up in your digest (blank or not) and you have the list subscription set to CLOSED+CONFIRM or OPEN+CONFIRM and the list is set for List Members only then the spammer is a member of your list. My Mail Server rejects THOUSANDS of Spam messages a day. Maybe 1 or 2 will get through any one list and is rejected because they are NOT valid members of that list. Nothing shows up in the digest that hasn't made it though the regular list. The following is an example of my alias setup: discuss@discuss.org: "|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper resend @/etc/mail/majordomo/discuss.arg" discuss-out@discuss.org: :include:/etc/mail/majordomo/lists/discuss discuss-request@discuss.org: "|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l discuss" discuss-archive@discuss.org: "|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /etc/mail/majordomo/lists/archives/discuss -m -a" # # # discuss-digestify@discuss.org: "|/usr/local/bin/demime '|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l discuss-digest discuss-digest-out@discuss.org,nobody'" discuss-digest-out@discuss.org: :include:/etc/mail/majordomo/lists/discuss-digest discuss-digest-request@discuss.org: "|/usr/local/bin/demime '|/etc/mail/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l discuss-digest'" Contents of the .arg file -h discuss.org -l discuss discuss-out@discuss.org,nobody Obviously I masked the real list name and domain. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Web and Mail Hosting. Phone: 252-657-9591 Web: http://www.emacolet.com To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Tom Patterson Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 08:32 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers I agree that the subscribers are not the ones sending the graphical messages if graphical messages are what is causing the problem. Actually, I think that it may be all messages from spammers, whether graphical or otherwise. I didn't save any of the bounces I was getting back, but I think that the times on at least some of them did correspond to times of some of the blank messages. Those messages were not all graphical, because they did have text that caused majordomo to respond. The thing is messages, apparently from spammers, are coming in, and apparently, are causing majordomo to create blank messages in the digest temporary directory. The messages are NOT going out to the regular list members - they never were. I do have my lists set up so that only list members can post. The blank messages have never gone out through the regular messages. They only show up in the digest temporary directory, and if left alone, appear as blank messages within the digest. I am running demime, and DrWeb to filter messages on the site. The digests last night did run without any problem. We modified line #176 as Daniel Liston suggested, and that, along with removing all zero content messages with a script as part of the cron job to create the digests, resulted in normal digests. I am still left with these blank messages being created in the digest temporary directory, but the problem is now at least manageable. Probably I will now create a new list starting with an alpha character lower than the two active lists, and see if I can dump any blank messages into that new list's directory to further ensure that blank messages don't get out to any digest subscribers. Right now, these blank messages are only going into one of the two active list digests directories, and it is the one with the starting with alpha "s" as opposed to alpha "v". -Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter P. Benac" To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Tom, It is not your subscribers that are sending the graphical messages. It is the spammers. I would be more curious about what type of spam catching software you are running on the front end of all of this. My mail server is running SpamAssassin, and Mimedefang. Plus I have the list set so only list members can post. Rejects never end up archived or digested. The mail server checks for RBDNS, DKIM and SPF records as well. Very little Spam makes it to any list I host and 99% if that is rejected because it comes from non-members. If that much spam is making to a backend mail processor you might want to beef up the front end. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Web and Mail Hosting. Phone: 252-657-9591 Web: http://www.emacolet.com To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Tom Patterson Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 05:44 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers Sorry All, I responded to earlier messages from Daniel Liston, and did so without copying in the list, as I just hit the reply to button. Following is my response to the first message: __________________________ Thanks Dan, Maybe you are correct in the graphical nature of the problem, but I doubt it. I have two lists with about 700-750 mostly long time members. They know that majordomo strips off any image files, and should not be submitting any. If they did, it would only be an occasional image - right now, I am getting a lot of these zero files. Prior to installing Joe's patch, I was able to tie the date and time of these blank files to the time that majordomo was bouncing messages back to the spammers. Also, I did not have this problem on my old server which also used demime. The problem started when I moved to a new server. I have already looked to see what files are queued up for the digests, and there are zero content files sitting there, and arriving regularly. The sequence problem I was running into seems to have ocurred as a result of deleting these zero files. The solution now appears to be in renaming and renumbering these files so that they start with 001. When I did that earlier today, I was able to pick them up in digests. I now have a script which will be tried with the cron job tonight. It will delete all zero content files, and then rename and renumber the remaining files immediately prior to calling the cron job to create the digest. If it works, the problem will be solved. I have no idea what is different now than with the earlier server, except for the mail program. Whatever, I will keep you posted on the outcome. -Tom _________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kasky" To: "Daniel Liston" ; Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Majordomo and spammers > FYI, demime also strips attachments at the same time that it strips the > mime from a message. I have lots of subscribers scratching their heads on > that one... > > Ed > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jul 15 08:14:30 2008 Received: from dalexmm01.acs-inc.com (dalexmm01.acs-inc.com [63.101.151.3]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CBE498359 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AngBAPRZfEg/V6pIiGdsb2JhbACCco9GAQEBDyCcDg Received: from unknown (HELO ATLEXBR01.CORPATL.COM) ([63.87.170.72]) by dalexmm01.acs-inc.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2008 10:01:33 -0500 Received: by atlexbr01.acs-shc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <39DD0N1S>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Caldwell, Cedric" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Majordomo ABORT Errors Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:07:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E68C.7DA3CE5A" X-Archive-Number: 200807/20 X-Sequence-Number: 5759 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E68C.7DA3CE5A Content-Type: text/plain Got the majordomo tool working.. that's all that responded. Now, I have an issue with the nasty messages filling up disk space: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! Majordomo@hoppipolla.net punting to avoid mail loop. I only seem to get these messages after I restart sendmail and then send a message to one of the lists. Any resolution have a resolution to this? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E68C.7DA3CE5A Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

Got the majordomo tool working.. that's all that = responded.

 

Now, I have an issue with the nasty messages filling up disk = space:

 

MAJORDOMO = ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

Majordomo@hoppipolla.net = punting to avoid mail loop. 

 

 

I only seem to get these messages after I restart sendmail and = then send a message to one of the lists.

 

 

Any resolution have a resolution to = this?

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E68C.7DA3CE5A-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jul 15 08:21:48 2008 Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C4A3498359 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 46730 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 15:14:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mqg9o7Isczj8wI6teWlGBgj0FRZAhHJlrKSGp4T5dkQGohxXaNbO+CjDGUJzZBUNWWceJaZi6OuDZ7wtvk5L0IFCyJlWBPHPNRZEdVqZkp5Zaidv/2nG28bRppf6vzch64BywrhQZOLqmOgTlgfl/aw19vglRY8vLlR8AzmH238= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPPRO) (pattersontj@sbcglobal.net@69.151.213.213 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 15:14:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _z4iv7UVM1kxKvptyh41MZg49y2k8FSjx1EEZ2bfLp4W9Jrd_UD6Wgar8_2SkUXQ5FdkL.zncmZ72EU.5YU0bKDYGC8NfKhM9e1WoYqXPHX_1mI_WwPxfMED6uIRFuA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <042501c8e68d$87acdfd0$6400a8c0@DESKTOPPRO> From: "Tom Patterson" To: Subject: Fw: Majordomo ABORT Errors Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:14:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0422_01C8E663.9E4C9930" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Archive-Number: 200807/21 X-Sequence-Number: 5760 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C8E663.9E4C9930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am getting these too, since I moved to a new server. I believe that = it is spammers sending e-mails to majordomo@mydomain.com and addressed = as coming from majordomo.com.=20 The abort is, as it says, to avoid getting into a mail look. I have directed all of these into my spam folder. -Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Caldwell, Cedric=20 To: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: Majordomo ABORT Errors =20 =20 Got the majordomo tool working.. that's all that responded. =20 Now, I have an issue with the nasty messages filling up disk space: =20 MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! Majordomo@hoppipolla.net punting to avoid mail loop.=20 =20 =20 I only seem to get these messages after I restart sendmail and then = send a message to one of the lists. =20 =20 Any resolution have a resolution to this? =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C8E663.9E4C9930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am getting these too, since I moved to a new=20 server.  I believe that it is spammers sending e-mails to majordomo@mydomain.com and = addressed as=20 coming from majordomo.com.
 
The abort is, as it says, to avoid getting into = a mail=20 look.
 
I have directed all of these into my spam=20 folder.
 
-Tom
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Caldwell, Cedric =
To: 'majordomo-users@greatc= ircle.com'=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 = 10:07=20 AM
Subject: Majordomo ABORT = Errors

 

 

Got the majordomo tool working.. that's all = that=20 responded.

 

Now, I have an issue with the nasty messages = filling=20 up disk space:

 

MAJORDOMO = ABORT=20 (mj_majordomo)!!

Majordomo@hoppipolla.net = punting to=20 avoid mail loop. 

 

 

I only seem to get these messages after I = restart=20 sendmail and then send a message to one of the=20 lists.

 

 

Any resolution have a resolution to=20 this?

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C8E663.9E4C9930-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jul 15 08:34:06 2008 X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:34:06 PDT Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA0F4983F0 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fwebmail16.isp.att.net ([204.127.221.116]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080715152215H0300prlhne>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:22:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.221.116] Received: from [68.152.95.130] by fwebmail16.isp.att.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:22:13 +0000 From: cald7786@bellsouth.net To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majorcool - How To Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:22:13 +0000 Message-Id: <071520081522.6822.487CC0A5000CF87100001AA622218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC0C8C9C90B040E0C@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 10 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2FsZDc3ODZAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6822_1216135333_0" X-Archive-Number: 200807/22 X-Sequence-Number: 5761 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6822_1216135333_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apologizes for what maybe a dump question.. Maybe I'm missing something here.. but does the majorcool interface not come with a way to post a message to a list of subscribers? It was installed with the admin rights for testing. Is this possible from the command line as well? If so, what command is used? New to using listservs. Thanks. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6822_1216135333_0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apologizes for what maybe a dump question..
 
Maybe I'm missing something here.. but does the majorcool in= terface not come with a way to post a message to a list of subscribers?&nbs= p;It was installed with the admin rights for testing. 
 
Is this possible from the command line as well? If so, what command is= used? 
 
New to using listservs.
 
Thanks.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6822_1216135333_0-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jul 15 09:11:11 2008 Received: from zappa.brainiac.com (ZAPPA.BRAINIAC.com [68.15.48.189]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9567751002C for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brainiac.com (eno [68.0.195.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by zappa.brainiac.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6FG4EoP016642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:04:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:04:14 -0400 From: Joe Hartley To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majorcool - How To Message-Id: <20080715120414.020b0850.jh@brainiac.com> In-Reply-To: <071520081522.6822.487CC0A5000CF87100001AA622218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC0C8C9C90B040E0C@att.net> References: <071520081522.6822.487CC0A5000CF87100001AA622218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC0C8C9C90B040E0C@att.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: e<}kWVz7AOU%7Y[y%"Y%)jByI[9dsnKP{\??7E"4vTGx4){g\C&LaBmH1{dDNf0U_mPBv#c qp\nRqr]T^L:p_H=Tel/;Z$7-C/klmyQ*kB\{},N]n-7*sJ(dYlf(,?f2hekl"0$nD+~T-ZwNK~`oa n"I7[)O/_NOgn@]?b%=6SRU!]O5k9|OA]PF!qIvs>7sE3}Vr*eC|r""6/**uf3ak}Hm.HK$Cri^yyT BzeM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200807/23 X-Sequence-Number: 5762 On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:22:13 +0000 cald7786@bellsouth.net wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something here.. but does the majorcool interface not come with a way to post a message to a list of subscribers? It was installed with the admin rights for testing. > > Is this possible from the command line as well? If so, what command is used? Majorcool does not have a way of posting any messages. It's simply for maintaining the list of subscribers and the configuration files. If you want to send a message to the list, you need to use email. That can be done from the command line with the "mail" command, but make sure the user you're logged in as is a valid subscriber to the list (if the list is set up to only allow subscribers to post). -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jul 15 09:19:08 2008 Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F438510007 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fwebmail16.isp.att.net ([207.115.9.156]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080715161217H0500e9sm1e>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:12:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.9.156] Received: from [68.152.95.130] by fwebmail16.isp.att.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:12:16 +0000 From: cald7786@bellsouth.net To: Joe Hartley , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majorcool - How To Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:12:16 +0000 Message-Id: <071520081612.2571.487CCC60000B12FC00000A0B22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC0C8C9C90B040E0C@att.net> In-Reply-To: <20080715120414.020b0850.jh@brainiac.com> References: <071520081522.6822.487CC0A5000CF87100001AA622218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC0C8C9C90B040E0C@att.net> <20080715120414.020b0850.jh@brainiac.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 10 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2FsZDc3ODZAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2571_1216138336_0" X-Archive-Number: 200807/24 X-Sequence-Number: 5763 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2571_1216138336_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That makes me feel better.. any one have a recommended suggestion on another gui interface that will allow the functionality of send messages to subscribers. I'm all ears.. -------------- Original message from Joe Hartley : -------------- > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:22:13 +0000 > cald7786@bellsouth.net wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something here.. but does the majorcool interface not come with a way to post a message to a list of subscribers? It was installed with the > admin rights for testing. > > > > Is this possible from the command line as well? If so, what command is used? > > Majorcool does not have a way of posting any messages. It's simply for > maintaining the list of subscribers and the configuration files. > > If you want to send a message to the list, you need to use email. That > can be done from the command line with the "mail" command, but make sure > the user you're logged in as is a valid subscriber to the list (if the list > is set up to only allow subscribers to post). > > -- > ====================================================================== > Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com > Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2571_1216138336_0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That makes me feel better.. any one have a recommended suggestion on a= nother gui interface that will allow the functionality of send messages to = subscribers.
 
I'm all ears..
-------------- Original message from Joe Hartley <jh@brai= niac.com>: --------------


> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:22:13 = +0000
> cald7786@bellsouth.net wrote: > Maybe I'm missing somethi= ng here.. but does the majorcool interface not come with a way to post a me= ssage to a list of subscribers? It was installed with the
> admin ri= ghts for testing.
> >
> > Is this possible from the com= mand line as well? If so, what command is used?
>
> Majorcool= does not have a way of posting any messages. It's simply for
> main= taining the list of subscribers and the configuration files.
>
&= gt; If you want to send a message to the list, you need to use email. That =
> can be done from the command line with the "mail" command, but mak= e sure
> the user you're logged in as is a valid subscriber to the l= ist (if the list
> is set up to only allow subscribers to post). >
> --
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D
> Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.c= om
> Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - = FZappa
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